General opinions concerning possible (hypothetical) events which could lead to the collapse of the United States (pick one or more or add your own):

Massive government
Massive regulation
Massive taxation
Massive national debt

Collapse of economy
Coup against government
Suspension of US Constitution
Civil War....
Civil Unrest...
Rebellion...

Cataclysm (Natural)
Cataclysm (Asteroid hits, etc)

Regional conflict
Global conflict

Nuclear war (limited exchange)
Nuclear event (accident)
Nuclear event (terrorist)

None of the above...
All of the above...
Other (add one or more)...

 

control of the nation by those unfit to lead a gerbil
oh wait they already run the country
republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, left, right, tea-baggers, what the fuckever
they are all a bunch of fucking morrons and those that spout the mind numbing drivel the most are the real idiots so be happy you are officialy an idiot

 

When I see proposals by someone who cannot write a single coherent sentence, I do not give them much credence.

 

I consider it possible that the USA will gradually move back in the direction of independent allied states instead of a single Union of states; but unless it's a violent and acrimonious break-up, I wouldn't really call that a collapse.

The only events listed there that are large-scale enough to destroy the USA altogether, are the natural-disaster ones - for instance, that whacking great Meteor Crater in Arizona. If a meteor landed tomorrow that was big enough to make a similar crater, nobody in the contiguous US states would survive. (This is not likely to happen in the next ten thousand years, let alone tomorrow!)

 

The continued bond buying by the fed and the zero interest rate policy will result in a worthless dollar. The US will have to default on its debt. Banks will collapse again, but the US will not be able to bail them out because they would have to print more cash and that would cause more inflation. If will no longer be black vs white or white vs mexican. It will be every family for itself. "human sacrafi[SIZE=3]ces, cats and dogs living to[SIZE=3]gether, mass hysteria"

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I fell the USA's intervension in other independant state's outside it's boarder's will turn a axis of hate towards it! I think terrorist cell's based on the Ira map will pop up and begin a rain of small but very public act's! That and the rise in cyber attack's will weaken from within! One terror act will go unpunished and open the flood gate's for more and more extreme act's.

 

We already have had the one terrorist attack that the administration has failed completely to respond to: Benghazi.

 

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Big government, lots of regulations on business, and high taxes on the rich will not lead to the collapse of the United States if those improve the lives of most Americans. This is what did happen during the New Deal. Franklin Roosevelt was reelected three times. His face is on the dime. His policies enabled the Democratic Party to dominate the United States until the 1970s.

The collapse of the economy and civil unrest could lead to the collapse of the United States. This is what many on the right seem to prefer to a multi racial, multi ethnic United States where the economy resembles those of Scandinavia and the British Commonwealth.

 

the USA will survive; the NAME will be kept. It's just as WHAT that we all are in debate on.

Honestly, with the Net the way it IS; DO we REALLY need a "Centralized" Government at all? Like the now receding trend of dissolving centralized offices to do on-line work; perhaps it's TIME to dissolve the "Beltway" boondoggle. turn the Capitol building, and White House into museums. have the Senators, Congressmen, and President all Web Conference from they're homes, FAX documents they need to sign. it would eliminate the "closed session" meetings, the behind the scenes caucusing that goes on to derail general votes. In one fell swoop it would DESTROY the "Lobbyist" positions, or massively curtail they're effectiveness.

and talk about a SAVINGS!!!!!! Think how much those morons use in operational funds! they throw C notes around faster then a Rapper or Meth!

Really, most "Work", is done on computers anyway, with telecommuting there is really no NEED for a "Office Building", it's a useless expenditure. Decentralize and apply the cost savings to cutting the market price of you're product! think of how many MILLIONS are wasted ANNUALLY on the costs associated with a "Office", no more maintenance costs, landscaping costs, property taxes on the building, utility costs; all go OUT THE WINDOW. the environmental impact would be staggering too; think of how much a reduction in carbon footprint eliminating "Rush Hour" would be!
not to mention the lost productivity time commuting costs. addicted to the "Morning Progress Meeting" fine you all pick a equidistant STARBUCKS or such and meet there! or again, net conference. see ya'll, Think I'm going to contemplate and write a paper on this" Decentralization" benefit.

 

My nightmare scenario is that a white man will assassinate the President. This would likely to be followed by open celebrations by whites in various parts of the country and black ghetto riots far more severe than what happened following the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The United States would become ungovernable.

The civil unrest and polarization that happened in the United States during the late 1960's and early 1970's happened during a period of unprecedented prosperity. The current polarization is happening during the worst economic downtown since the Great Depression. That is why it is more dangerous.

 

The nightmare scenario is anyone, irregardless of race or gender who may attempt to take out President Obama.

Even a nutcase or terrorist from another nation making the effort could initiate a chain reaction without end. I oppose what Pres Obama is doing to the United States; I do not wish anyone to even threaten him or any President of the United States with physical harm - impeachment is one thing, done by established means of our Constitution, but not by any other means.

 

I don't know, current estimates put that impact at between about 2.5 and 10MT. The soviets set off a 50 MT thermonuclear bomb. There will be differences in the types of energy, much of the impact would be converted to seismic energy as it directly impacted ground. The soviet bomb was mostly heat energy, which effects were felt for quite some distance in the form of electromagnetic radiation and a shockwave, but it certainly wasn't 100% lethal at distances more than 100km away.
I'm not an expert on impacts, and I may be wrong, but I don't think an impact like that one in Arizona would be a game changer for the US. I'm also confident it wouldn't kill everyone in the state or neighbouring states. However an impact in the Pacific, or Atlantic not too far from the coast of the US, would have a much more devastating destructive effect, with Tsunami destruction for several hundreds of miles.

But if we talk about an impact like the one that created the Yucatan peninsula impact crater. That would be an extinction event for most the life on earth. But they are quite rare(every 100 million years or so), and we would see it coming a long way off.

 

At the time I visited Meteor Crater the estimate blast zone encompassed about 150km and a equivilent yield of 15-25Mt; mind you that was long ago so I assume the figures you specify are based on modern refinements that are much more accurate.

The Soviet bomb has been reported at between 47-50Mt of yield from a variety of sources I have seen and read, including documentaries of the History Channel.

What matters with a meteor such as impacting on the surface and one that airbursts (such as the small one that detonated an estimated 20 miles above Russia not long ago - estimated at the time of 600Kt yield) is that a ground strike results in less potential devastation as the majority of the force is transmitted into the ground itself - mind you, if you live in the area (say 50-80km radius) the results range from catastrophic to extreme disaster.

An meteor detonating fairly low in the atmosphere (say 5km) such as with the recent Russian one (if it had reached that close to the surface) would have inflicted massive damage on any populated regions of the earth, especially if it hit a major metropolis such as Manhattan Island.

Mostly what would determine it being a game-changer is where it hit, and how much damage was inflicted. A strike off shore of DC or NYC or Hawaii could yield mass devastation in a localized area, but what would be the secondary reprecussions that followed?

Consider the off chance - remote true, but still probably - that a single small air-burst meteor destroyed a major city in the continental USA; what could happen if someone decided it was, instead of a meteor strike, a nuclear attack instead? (terrorist motivated or from a 'rogue nuclear state')



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Hopefully we would see it coming with a planet-killer. The matter is though, how many asteroids have been detected AFTER they passed the earth? The Levi-Schumaker cometary impact on Jupiter gives some idea, in addition to the Yucatan impact, of what forces would be generated.

Mostly with any meteor impact what matters is...

How big it is.
How hard it hits.
Where it hits.
What damage is wrought.

It would not take too much for such an event, if mishandled, to cause a collapse or partial collapse of society in America.

Consider that only a few years past India and Pakistan stood on the edge of a nuclear exchange. Experts stated (mind you this is my averaging of their statistics) that 20 20kt devices exchanged in total would lead to an initial 350-450K dead and injured, and in the collapse of social order after, another 25 million dead (one estimate went as high as 100 million, but that was on the extreme edge)

 

There are already rumblings in many states wanting to leave this "marriage" to a "whore." Obamacare and other such socialist nonsense is causing it.

My prediction is that if the Supreme Court or Obama forces gay marriage on states that do not want it then that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

So in answer to your question it will be liberalism that causes the USA is split apart.

 

It will not be liberalism that causes the United States to be split apart. It will be right wing nut cases who do not accept the will of the majority.

The last election may be the last hurrah for the Republican Party. There will always be a large minority of whites who vote Democrat. As the percentage of whites in the country declines due to the influx of non white immigration the Democrats will obtain a super majority.

The United States will move very far and very fast to the left. The aging cranks in the Tea Party will not be able to do anything about it. When they turn on their televisions they will see comedians and talk show hosts ridiculing everything they revere as the audience laughs uproariously. The United States will no longer be their country.

American liberals will always feel comfortable in Western Europe and the British Commonwealth. American reactionaries have nowhere else to go. In no other country are their bizarre obsessions respected. No other country wants them.

 

Liberals like Obama don't give a damn about the "will of the majority." If they did they wouldn't be pushing something that the majority is against like amnesty for lawbreakers who cross our borders illegally.

When the so-called "majority" becomes a bully by forcing things on people who DO NOT WANT IT the ones being bullied can either try to fight back or flee for safety.

Liberalism is a bully. It doesn't care about the rights of people. It only cares about pushing an agenda and gaining power for itself. It tramples on the rights and liberties of others.

People have tried fighting liberalism. Now it's time to leave the liberals to their own destruction and eternal torment.

 

Are you asking what will cause the collapse of the USA? Or are you asking what will change the government of the USA?

In all respects, the USA is constantly changing, nothing is truly static. This country would seem very different to a citizen from the first year of it's existence. Forgeting the technological changes, the industrial changes and the infrastructure changes, the USA today does not resemble the USA of 1776.

What major tenets have changed?

1.) Only white men who owned property could vote. Now any citizen can vote, regardless of race or sex. Washington was elected president when only 6% of the population was qualified to vote. Mexicans, Chinese, Negroes & Native Americans were specifically prohibited from becoming naturalized citizens.

2.) Land ownership was restricted to men, women were forbidden to own property in their own name.

3.) Federal government was restricted from involvement in States rights. In 1776, the states had far more rights under their individual constitutions. In 1776 the total population of the US was less than the number of federal employees today.

4.) Slavery was legal and practiced in every state. Indentured servants were quite common as were debtors prisons.

5.) Primary education was either home schooling, tutors or private schools. The few public schools were reserved for white male children only.

We could use many pages to list the huge number of changes that have taken place for the average US citizen. But my point is that to the white male land owner of 1776, looking at the country today, the US would probably appear to have already collapsed. Just as those changes were mostly for the better, it was not better for everyone.

So in answer to your question, as I see it, the US will continue to evolve for the betterment of all people, while to the few idealists, it may appear to be failing.

 

Tenguy, meet the Roman Empire....


Roman Empire, meet Tenguy....




No nation lasts forever. The Roman Empire fell. Read Gibbons. The very things that led to the decline and fall of Rome are happening now here in the USA.

The death certificate is now being filled out.

And the liberals will be the ones who will sign it.

 

You seem to want that to happen, don't you?

Reactionaries claim that liberals hate America. Nevertheless, it is reactionaries who gloat about economic problems the United States is having, and who want to secede from the United States.

What these nut cases do not take into consideration is that the most reactionary parts of the country also have the highest black populations. Blacks will not peacefully acquiesce in being subjected to second class citizenship they way they did when Reconstruction ended in 1876.